The conundrum that is DoC is to some degree understandable.
Its workers are institutionalized. They occupy an environment of intense reinforcement surrounding the benefits of aerial 1080 use. They have to be, when that department spends 60% or more of its budget on poison pest control and research. From an institutional viewpoint, workers must support the organization’s actions, or the institution cannot operate with confidence. Anyone who disagrees with how things are done in a hierarchical-based organization is quickly removed, especially if they have influence over many people within it.
This isn't new, and the practice is replicated in many businesses. Keeping people on who question management is something management tends to avoid. It helps them to have rules in place that help them do that by way of regulation, or the law, instead of actually doing something about their poor management skills. Organizations keep employees quiet by keeping their job security under a constant cloud if you dare to question in a way that they think sows discord.
All the same, none of this explains why Regional Councillors and the odd trapper like Mike Finlayson and Ariki Baldwin think the way they do about compound 1080. At the Waitangi discussions Mike attempted to promote the science angle of 1080 and Ariki tried to use race division, and fear of loss, to manipulate people into feeling that if we stop using 1080 all our birds will die. Fear of loss is a path to the Dark Side (Yoda)
Waitangi day was a great day to be a part of. What I enjoyed most was the panel speeches and the debates at Te Tii marae. This particular debate was held the day before the public holiday, and I must thank Di Maxwell of Flora and Fauna NZ for making sure that I turned up to experience it. Debating has always interested me. I love arguing about things I am passionate about, but my home life was not the best incubator for communication skills. It wasn't something I could be effective at, though hopefully things are turning around thanks to my partner.
I just missed Don Brash's speech. I'm disappointed I missed out. I've read Mr Brash's opinion pieces, and the posts that the (very similar) Alan Richards Facebook profile displays. So I both understand and completely reject his perspective on the Treaty of Waitangi. I was looking forward to questioning his speech, but, alas, that wouldn't have been a real possibility. His speech was cut short apparently and no questions followed.
I will take this time to implore fellow Māori to allow these people to have their say and let it run to question time. That way people who have better perspectives can put these poor perspectives on display for all to see, via good debate.
Thankfully the 1080 debate allowed for that. In the audience, I noticed that volleyball-player extraordinaire and new Māori poster boy for 1080 use - Tame Malcolm. It made me giggle watching him squirm and look around angrily every time a member of the audience would shout something out during the poison lobbyist speeches. If only he had been on the panel too. Sadly, he made himself scarce come question time.
Ariki was first to start the debate. What a shameful display that was. I'm sure in hindsight the poison lobbyists were thinking Tame should have been up there instead. His incredibly-well-put-together jaw structure alone would have been more effective at influencing the female contingent of the audience. It's an effective optic to have when you are a lobbyist posing as a conservationist.
What makes him more effective is his Māori heritage. The majority of Māori oppose 1080 mainly because the majority of Māori are still in tune with their instincts. A well-educated handsome Māori, put on a pedestal, claiming its ok, and it works, is a potent propaganda tool. It also makes sense that the Director of Puna Consultants would be an obvious choice for the 2025 Bio-Security Strategic Planning Working Group. His poison lobbyist behaviour aligns with government and other financially invested entities that promote its use.
Tame's company Puna Consultants is doing remarkably well these days. The website has had quite the upgrade. He is being marketed anywhere and everywhere. Conforming to media and government perspectives, regardless of reality, has a very beneficial impact on the promotion of your profile and career. Tame Malcolm has benefited greatly.
I'm a student of Psychology, I studied it at Auckland University. While I was there, I happened upon knowledge of how you can manipulate an audience with certain speech techniques. PR companies do this all the time, they use fear and division to maintain control over an audience’s feelings. Ariki's speech was a perfect example of this type of manipulation. His speech was not dissimilar to many of the ‘DoC representative’ speeches I have been privy to.
He started out with the usual attempt to promote fear of loss by stating that if we lose this "tool" we lose all our birds. He attempted to define an enemy, by talking about the evils of the animals who eat the birds, the eggs and newly hatched chicks. He went so far as to suggest that the white panel members are also the enemy, via racial division tactics. His speech was manic, full of ranting and quite a disgusting display of behaviour, to be honest. He even took it too far by telling a story of how he chopped the back legs off a stoat and kept it as a pet, so they could watch it drag itself around. Yes, he said that.... It's a shame no media were there to record it. I think it's important this behaviour is presented to the public, so people know that pro-1080 advocates are at the very least, just as prone to unsavoury behaviour as ban-1080 advocates. Thankfully Trim Gage, member of The Tribesmen, was there to remind him of unity and the need to reject racism.
This wasn't the only display of poor behaviour from poison lobbyists at Waitangi. On the roundabout just before Te Tii marae a couple were marginally assaulted by an unidentified white male with slight ginger features.
According to Marcus James' post, the unidentified male tried to forcibly rip the couple’s protest banner away from them, whilst engaging in a slew of violent threats. Di Maxwell, a member of the Ban 1080 panel in the main tent, was also viciously threatened at Waitangi by a man with similar features to the one described by John and Tania. What kind of person, I ask, intimidates the kind and wise members of our society who have enjoyed long life and hold years of knowledge and experience that could go a long way towards helping the younger members of society improve their perspectives? So much for the dignity of the poison lobbyists...
Thankfully the poison lobby had one dignified performance at Waitangi, that of the infamous Mike Finlayson. Which shouldn't be a surprise. If you want to be re-elected as Regional Councillor for Te Hiku, it's in your best interests to conduct yourself with some dignity. However, of late, this has been a struggle for Mike as his recent antics, drinking water from a 1080 laced stream in the Russell State forest for NZ Herald propaganda, has landed him in a bit of hot water. I've had plenty of run-ins online with Mr Finlayson through Facebook debate.
At one point he threw all dignity out the window, decided to google search my name and plaster a drink driving charge from 2011 on Facebook in an attempt to discredit my views on 1080. Correlations? Well there is no correlation between a drink driving charge and views on 1080, just like there is no correlation between robbing a bank and a view on 1080, Nicola Toki. It became apparent during the debate that Mike Finlayson might not know what a correlation is, which is concerning. These people are responsible for making good decisions for their community. After Mike’s rather ‘from the heart lacking’ speech that he'd typed out on his fancy iPad, a series of questions was asked of him. Marcus asked him why he attempted to change the name of the compound to suit the natural toxin that resides in plants. He couldn't answer that effectively. I myself had to ask him a question after hearing him say that micro-organisms break the compound down into harmless by-products. The micro-organism world is of particular interest to me so suffice it to say that Mike had stepped outside of his comfort zone to touch on this with me present. "In 1996 a research study was done to ascertain if compound 1080 persisted in soil and aquifers in Winton, Southland. 12,000 kgs of degraded toxic 1080 baits were buried in purpose-dug pits and the concentration of 1080 from the water bores was measured over a year. One problem was that twenty two years later, Mycoplasma Bovis originated in stock from that same area. A correlation would have been hard to build if this was a singular occurrence. Fortunately, under the same circumstances a similar transmissible pathogen outbreak came out of Smarden Kent twenty-two years after a small 1080/1081 spill, BSE (Mad Cow)." "What are your thoughts on this Mike?"
Mike was a bit taken aback. It was becoming clear that Mike doesn't excel when he's put on the spot with information he hasn't looked into, but who would? Nevertheless, he attempted to have an opinion on it and maintained that there was no correlation between 1080 and these ecological calamities! I think he was glad to be told to sit down when the majority of the crowd no longer wanted to see him standing. Poor Mike. It’s hard enough being completely hopeless at drawing correlations. It makes it worse when he is also guilty of making ridiculous contradictions (see below).
It seems that just like The Green Party Mike Finlayson changes his greenie stance depending on the party line.
As someone who has recently plunged head first into the realm of micro-organisms and ecological growing, I know that the use of man-made chemical compounds on soil and water tends to have a detrimental effect on the balance of the micro-organism world. Many studies have revealed that many bacterial and fungal populations are promoted when these substances are used, creating an imbalance, which in turn requires the continued use of said compound. Sound familiar? It should.
1080 does the same thing in the animal kingdom. It creates rat plagues that severely impact the ecosystem. That's why we save our money as ecological growers and instead understand the ecosystem, and adapt our processes to suit it. It's an understatement to say this saves money and produces much better results for the ecosystem you are creating and profiting off. While all the action was at Te Tii marae, it seemed the mainstream media were more interested in some random graffiti in the Opua forest. The NZ Herald in true anti-protester fashion was at it again making sure that the reputation of the Ban 1080 community was dragged through the mud again. Even though the article was garbage and not even in the slightest bit interesting, almost every mainstream media outlet picked up the story and ran with it.
It didn't matter that the story was loaded with holes. The person the story came from (Brad Windust) is well known for his hatred towards Ban 1080 protesters. The slogan was all wrong, the forest doesn't even use 1080, laid traps were vandalized and there were no witnesses. Brad also felt it was necessary to add; "that it couldn't be an act of defamation as anti-1080 activists do a good job of that themselves." It doesn't help Brad's case that the vicious thug loitering around Waitangi trying to impose fear on elderly Ban 1080 protesters had the same features as himself.
Self professed investigator Brad Windust
Alas, the victims have ruled this man out as the culprit for the vicious displays of behaviour witnessed at Waitangi. However, average theories and convenient timing don't do much for his intellect and candour. I think the word I used to describe his intellect was 'meat axe'. I apologize to anyone who thinks that is out of line and I will even extend apologies to Brad if he finds it inaccurate and offensive. I meant it to be. Don't throw stones and then complain when they get thrown back. This ban 1080 movement has been slandered for decades and I'm new to this fight, but just like beauty, intelligence is in the perception of the beholder and I don’t behold much of that coming from you buddy.
Those I have met within this movement have been good people who care an awful lot, even in the face of such blatant bias. My experience of proponents from the other side of this argument has been of callous, calculating, well contained hate or complete oblivion to all the research that points in favour of the Ban 1080 movement. People like this fail psych examinations when attempting to join the SAS, for very good reasons. Why are they still allowed to decide how other creatures die? As this is an opinion piece, it's loaded with my opinion and although many of you may just gravitate towards my perspective, I must remind you that you should always understand it, question it and then consider it. I shall indulge you with my summed up view of 1080 in one parting opinion. It's a waste of money, it's cruel, it's lazy and its use is an example of poor ecosystem understanding. It's why DoC is not called the Department of Ecology and I would go as far to question why they are called the Department of Conservation. Their employees clearly care about the environment otherwise they wouldn't work there. If they knew the truth, the anger that would exude from them would be immeasurable and I would fear for the well-being of those in DoC management who know that 1080 is doing the opposite of conservation. Their data shows undeniably that it is temporarily slowing the problem it creates.
This is true because in this country there is a forest called the Te Urewera that boasts a diverse ear-splitting abundance of bird life. The Department of Conservation themselves say it has the largest concentration of Kōkako. A nectar feeding bird, it is one of the few that appear to actually benefit from 1080. How is it that a forest that doesn't get treated with 1080 can hold this status? Poison lobbyists can never answer this question. What makes it worse is that pretty much all research money has gone into more poison research. Wow! Who owns the monopoly on conservation? Certainly not the hunting industry.
It is for the courts to argue the merits, correctness or validity of the overwhelming evidence against the use of 1080. That is their function.
There is a commonality amongst us all, in that we feel by various degrees to be affronted, affected, and threatened by the long term actions of some dishonourable civil servants.
In most cases of the people on this list, those affronts relate to the spreading of 1080 poison.
However, the conduct of some civil servants which have resulted in the perpetration of the poisoning of our country is only one example of many other encroachments on what we have been brought up to accept as our kiwi way of life.
Regardless of which political party has been in power, these erosions of our rights and the kiwi sense of fair play and common sense have continued to be eroded, and the process has been deliberate.
Our nation built hydro dams, the largest man made plantation forests in the world; the most advanced farming sectors in the world, good transport infrastructure, good health care and education, mining, not so good fisheries practices, excellent armed forces and police; as examples.
Yet these practices have been eroded away through the corrupt practices of successive governments in recent times.
The creation of state owned enterprises coinciding with the Parliamentary Commissioner of the Environment report, the creations of PFNZ and OSPRI with a poisoning programme perpetuated till mid 2040’s at a cost of several billion dollars, coupled with increasing indirect taxes and restrictions on public access to crown lands, access to rivers, restrictions on dogs, recreational fish take, the list goes on; and our increasing internal and external debt are all part of a serious malady ultimately affected the future of New Zealand and New Zealander.
We sorely need a significant pushback and investigation which will reveal the depth of corruption in the Department of Conservation and its bureaucrats.
There is very strong evidence that this poisoning programme is not only detrimental to the health of our land but more so to the health of every inhabitant.
We know that bacterium found in fresh water and soil consolidates through compost 102.
These symptoms are also similar to suffering 1080 poisoning.
Yet ERMA state “No studies have been conducted using standard international guidelines to assess the route and rate of degradation of 1080 in soil while laboratory studies have indicated the ability of some soil organisms to biodegrade 1080, the rate of such degradation under New Zealand conditions is uncertain. Likewise, no robust studies on the adsorption/leaching of 1080 are available. In soil there are no reports where degradation studies have been performed using a standard test guideline.
Yet 1080 contamination harms soil and compost, evidenced by a 97.5 mortality of a British earthworm species at 250 mg/kg dw soil.
When poisoning earthworms risks maintaining our soil quality and the arability of land are prevalent.
There is considerable uncertainty regarding the toxicity for bees”, and bee’s pollinate much of our food.
No information was available to the Agency relating to residue of 1080 in milk from cows and yet other nations believe risk exists on contaminated exports and cows are poisoned by 1080.
Yet we know that where 1080 is dropped around streams that 1080 is absorbed by plants like puha and watercress, a favourite diet of cows. So how many cows consume these plants in areas where 1080 is dropped? Is this milk collected and processed?
Then yet again limited information is available on dust drift during a 1080 drop.
The point is that we are still dropping huge amounts of this banned chemical weapon while we have disputed science as too its toxicity.
The employment of PR companies to support and authenticate the use of 1080 is appalling.
When over 300,000 citizens of this country are against the poisoning of the land and successive governments are spending millions of tax-payers money to line the pockets of a few something is drastically wrong?
Then we have main stream media advocating ‘violence’ against those citizens.
When our politicians and bureaucrats hire thugs to quell the arguments and protests, and they have the support and assistance of our Police and Courts to uphold ‘their’ law we are on the edge of anarchy.
It is the strength of money and money talks. Te Predator Free Programme has nothing to do with predator control. It is about money. The common denominator in this anarchy is Sage and Sanson.
Eugenie Sage MP has to go down as the ‘Worst MP’ in the history of New Zealand. And we have had some bad ones.
New Zealand is supposed to be a free democratic country where people have the right to protest and have free speech.
But not according to Sage and her DoC bullies.
A recent 1080 meeting in the South Island saw DoC bullies intimidating and trying to stop people voicing their concerns.
Her husband is employed "high up in Department of Conservation" allegedly pulling some serious strings to get her agenda pushed.
This is a huge conflict of interest, but where is the State Services Commission? everybody politically including media is silent from the ‘Elephant in the Room.’
Not allowing proper consulting of ‘The Public’ sector when it comes to ‘due process’, and getting ‘things pushed through without public knowledge.’
Attempting to destroy Hunting, Fishing, whitebaiting, jet boating, the removal of NZDA Huts, and removing access for recreational users up the Godley River for her absurd plan for a Predator free area in the Mackenzie basin.
The murder of deer fawns on the Molesworth Station when their mothers were poisoned.
An apology isn’t good enough the NZ public want her resignation, saying the hunting and fishing community have lost confidence in her to deal fairly, especially after calling hunters C**ts on National Television and getting off scot free as her lies were accepting by the Broadcasting Commission.
We hope that all hunters and fishers are aware that this will be her last term and she will be out for everything and anything that makes us Kiwis.
We didn’t vote for her for anything. Nobody wanted her. She was forced upon us. She has no ability or skills that enable her to make a balanced decision. She is an extremist conservationist pushing her agenda above anything else. This is not a suitable person for the role of Conservation Minister when 85% of the population is against 1080 poisoning. DOC need to have wildlife management removed from their control.
We need a specialist department established for wildlife/game management with the authority to manage animal population.
DOC have historically done some exceptional work saving endangered species. That should be their primary purpose. Not trying to eradicate every introduced species in NZ.
That horse left the building 150 years ago. Maybe all the hunting / fishing / shooting organisations need to band together and form a political party that has good policy and is accepted.
DOC needs a shake up before they destroy much of what NZ holds dear and brings in tourists.
"Politicians are like baby's nappies, they need changing regularly and for the same reason." Mark Twain.
With Labour being in bed with the Greens we have never had a threat so significant our sport or recreation before.
It’s good to see the SPCA coming out against further use of 1080, it is about time.
The Toyota advert with the two possums in it have it right when the say ‘you will never kill the last possum, or rat, stoat, weasel ferret etc.’
Meat heads like Hague and Hackwell and the rest of the clowns seem to have no idea.
These wildlife killers should be keelhauled from bow to stern underneath a big barge covered in barnacles, only then will they realize the pain and suffering all our native birds and animals go through when they die slowly from 1080 poisoning.
It would be great to know (but you will never find out) how many and we are talking millions of our native birds.
These idiots have caused a slow death on our feathered creatures for over 60 years and now we have bugger all birdlife left.
The first to die are the owls who eaten the 1080’d dead mice, any hunter or conservationist with half a brain will tell you this.
Hague and his killer mates don’t have any brains and these beech masts have been happening for years and years. When I was hunting to West Coast of the South Island in the 1960’s
there were birds everywhere in our forests as well as rats and possums who would sit a few metres away from us watching us eating by our campfires. Now we have jack all birds.
On trips back there I have noticed that ever since we started using 1080 the birdlife has gone back significantly. Now most of our drinking water in stream s is full of 1080 pellets combine this with all the rotting deer and pigs carcases that have been killed.
Anybody who even thinks of listening to these idiots should see a shrink immediately and get help as we are dealing with very sick people in Forest and Bird, DoC and the government who should be ashamed to be funding these poisoners. It’s a disgrace to this country.
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